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Salvation By Grace Vs. Morality




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  1. When is Emo Philips going to do TAM?

  2. What do you think about getting “liked” by christians on wordpress? Do you think they are trying to lure us to God?

    • criticofchristianity

      It’s probably different for all of them. I certainly welcome their comments and opinions. If they can present a convincing argument, I will convert. But when all they do is like a post it’s hard to tell. I guess they could be empathising with the difficulty of accepting some aspects of Christianity. Or, as you say, they could be trying to bring us to God, which is understandable. If I believed a certain group of people were headed for eternal torture then I would do all in my power to save them. So I guess I have a respect for Christians like that. What do you think?

      • First, I appreciate that you recognize that they could be empathizing … as a former Catholic, I thought that as well … but, I worry that may be naive.

        I think they are using a sound marketing/sales tactic, and …

        I can respect the desire to save someone. But, I’m not sure that is what it’s about. It may be. It may also be about attempting to tactfully eliminate what they perceive to be threats to society. I can also respect the desire to eliminate threats, of course … but, if this is the case … and they perceive people who are challenging others to think for themselves to be threats to society …. then I would say that this should be unsettling to us.

      • criticofchristianity

        I do agree that Christianity does use a lot of marketing techniques. That was one of the things that turned me off it in the first place.

        In their worldview we are threats to society. To them we undermine all goodness and morality and common sense. I do find that unsettling, but I understand why they would think that way. But there’s not much I can do about it other than encourage them to think critically as much as possible. Hopefully if they have like one of my posts then that means they’ve read what I’ve got to say, maybe that will help them to be less hostile to atheists and more understanding of what we actually stand for.

        I try not to be too cynical about them. That may be naive but I have had some really great conversations with Christians who seem to be really genuine. But of course, it’s impossible to know for sure.

      • Oh, I believe that the majority of them seem genuine. They may not be able to defend their beliefs with reason, but they truly love God. They love God more than they could possibly love a person. Which makes sense … it is impossible to actually get to know God. Absence, in this case, makes their hearts grow fonder.

      • criticofchristianity

        Haha yeah, that is a really good point.

  3. Are we supposed to be surprised that the majority of celebrities/Hollywood are atheists?

    • criticofchristianity

      Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think a celebrity lifestyle is really compatible with the Christian worldview. But a lot of them are into scientology or some sort of airy fairy mix of this and that spirituality. But then many of them are atheists too. I guess it’s a mixed bag? Thanks for commenting!

    • I’m not sure that there are that many atheists in Hollywood. I’d think most of them don’t allow much time for questioning whether or not there is a God. Why would they need to? They have people worshipping them all the time.

      • criticofchristianity

        Yeah that’s true. It seems like a lot of British actors are atheists though: Daniel Radcliff, Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie, most of the Monty Python crew and of course Kiera Knightly. Maybe that’s because the whole fame/celebrity/paparazzi/worship thing isn’t so big in the UK as in the US. They actually have time to think about other things.

      • I just went back to Monty Python’s Meaning of Life last night. It was a bittersweet reunion. It made me feel less alone but long for a modern comedy troupe that could match them. I don’t know of one do do?

      • criticofchristianity

        Nope, I don’t think anyone else comes anywhere near their hilarity. They are the cream of the crop. 🙂

  4. The Emo Philips quote is classic!


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